Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 29, 1973 (1/2)
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, June 29, 1973 (1/2)
[00.42.39-THOMPSON is trying to link DEAN'S personal use of the campaign money in his care to his status as a potential witness at that time, seems to suggest DEAN was trying to rip off the CRP] Mr. THOMPSON. And possibly problems for you, would it not? It would be at least embarrassing. would it not, that you were trying to decide whether or not to deep six those materials? Mr. DEAN. Well, it was not, you know, embarrassment to me in the sense that, it might have embarrassed others more seriously and it would have unraveled the coverup, if that is what you are saying; yes. Mr. THOMPSON. You were only concerned not to embarrass others and not yourself? Mr. DEAN. No, sir; I am sailing I was concerned that It might start, unraveling the coverup. [00.43.04] Mr. THOMPSON. Did you ever give Mr. LaRue any money for him to distribute to the defendants? Mr. DEAN. Directly? Mr. THOMPSON. Yes, sir. Mr. DEAN. No, sir. Mr. THOMPSON. Was any money ever, passed in your office when Mr. LaRue and Mr. Kalmbach -were present to give to defendants in order to keep them silent? Mr. DEAN. That is possible. I don't recall. It could have happened when Mr. LaRue and Mr. Kalmbach met for -Mr. LaRue to get his instructions regarding or Mr. Kalmbach got the instructions from Mr. LaRue as to the disposition of the money. [00.43.42] Mr. THOMPSON. Did Mr. Kalmbach ever come in and in effect, make an accounting of the money he had received and the money he had disbursed when he had some notes in his hand? Do you recall that, in your office? Mr. DEAN. I recall that he told me that he had destroyed the copy Of the distribution, but he said that he had take care of it and there may have been some sort of accounting. I don't -recall it precisely. It was not something we talked about with great frequency. [00.44.12] Mr. THOMPSON. Did you ever burn notes Mr. Kalmbach had had concerning his distribution? Mr. DEAN. Oh, yes; I did. 'Mr. Kalmbach gave me a small slip of paper. He was burning it and I gave him my ash tray and it was placed in my ashtray on my desk and burned up, one of these little notepads I think I testified to in my earlier testimony, where he had transcribed larger notes into smaller notes and it was burned up in an ash tray in my office. I do recall that; yes. Mr. THOMPSON. When did that occur? Mr. DEAN. Sometime after the delivery, I gather, had been made. Mr. THOMPSON. Was anyone else present besides you and Mr. Kalmbach? Mr. DEAN. NO; there was not. [00.44.54] Mr. THOMPSON. As to whether or not you in fact told Mr. Kalmbach that you wanted Ulasewicz to be the one to distribute this money? Mr. DEAN. I did not tell Mr. Kalmbach. Mr. Kalmbach requested Mr. Ulasewicz' number from me because he told me he was the only one he would trust to do the job. Mr. THOMPSON. Did you know who Ulasewicz was? Mr. DEAN. Indeed I did. I knew that. from the time, that Mr. Caulfield had been put on my staff; shortly thereafter, I learned that he had done countless assignments for Mr. Caulfield and Mr. Caulfield had regaled me at times with Mr. Ulasewicz ability. [00.45.32] Mr. THOMPSON. Getting back to the money in a different light, and I hope my pursuit is not being completely irrelevant. I am concerned with that fund and the possibility of whether or not there might have been distributions of that fund other than the one you have related to us. As I understand your statement, the reason you took the $4,850 primarily was to cover the expenses that you would incur on your honeymoon. Is that correct? Mr. DEAN. That -was the original purpose, but as I have, I think, the committee, I later used it for personal expenditures. Mr. THOMPSON. But that was the original purpose,? Mr. DEAN. That was the, original purpose; that is correct. Mr. THOMPSON. And you were questioned, I believe, as to why it would take that much money for a honeymoon. I believe your statement is that you planned to spend several weeks on your honeymoon. Mr. DEAN. I had hoped to spend about 10 days to 2 weeks in Florida if I could get it. I didn't know if I could get it. Mr. THOMPSON. 10 days to 2 weeks? Mr. DEAN. I didn't know how long I was going to stay. I was going to fight off the office as long as I could. I hadn't had a break in some time. [00.46.56-THOMPSON is trying one last time to pin DEAN on something improper] Mr. THOMPSON. You testified on more than one occasion that you were very careful in making your statement, that you -went over your statement in detail. Now the 10 days, this is the first time I have, heard of the 10 days. Mr. DEAN. No, sir; if you will check the transcript, that also came out in the questioning at one Point. Mr. THOMPSON, That you have testified? Mr. DEAN. Yes. Mr. THOMPSON. If I am in error, I will apologize- I am going back to your prepared transcript, your prepared statement, where you say on page 116: On Friday, the 13th, I had left Washington to go to Florida to spend several weeks on a honeymoon. I was abruptly called back on the 15th, after 2 days. Mr. DEAN. That correct. Mr. THOMPSON. I assume it was your intention when you left here to spend Several weeks Mr. DEAN. That was my--- Mr. THOMPSON. If possible Mr. DEAN. Yes.