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ON PREVIEW CASSETTE # 211123 Fireworks Great over-head shot of car flying over camera Woman safari hunter, firing gun cheetah running through brush woman seated on floor in green gown, sitting on cheetah / tiger rug. Man lights cigar in chair next to her. Polar bears in zoo pool
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Chrysler govt. car trials - stunts. Great looking footage. Car drives onto ramp, and coasts in mid-air to ramp on other side. Second shot, taken from between both ramps, car flies overhead. B/W?
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Cheetah or jaguar. Men hunting. Multiple shots. Woman in velvet green dress poses, sitting at her man's feet on cheetah skin. Very odd.
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Polar bears play in water - shot through cage at zoo.
Mexico City
POV from car; unidentified statue; various 1950s model American cars drive; multi-storey buildings (residential high-rises or commercial buildings); pedestrians.
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ON PREVIEW CASSETTE 201234 Vacuum cleaners, dunalire Dust Collector
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ON PREVIEW CASSETTE 201234 Army Corps of Engineers building roads, lots of moving equipment. Looks like it was filmed in Central or South America.
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Aluminum factory
Preview Cassette 221128 B 00.00.00 - 00.03.19 Trains. Some freight trains, some passenger trains. Shot shot of African American railroad porter. 00.03.19 - 00.03.35 Greyhound dog race 00.03.35 - 00.03.56 Dogs. May be a boxer and a Great Dane. 00.03.56 - 00.04.11 Smoke rising in the distance over a mountain. This may be trying to depict smoke signals. CU of Native American man. 00.04.11 - 00.04.34 Woman wearing historical dress uses an old fashioned telephone from approximately 1900. 00.04.34 - 00.04.39 Several women working at a busy telephone switchboard. 00.04.39 - 00.4.54 Female secretary talking on the phone. Man talking on the phone 00.04.54 - 00.05.14 Man using a CB radio in his truck. 00.05.14 - 00.05.18 Man in a sound recording studio. 00.05.18 - 00.05.28 Man typing information into a machine 00.05.28 - 00.05.35 Newspapers rolling off the press. 00.05.35 -00.05.43 Man taking papers off a teletype machine 00.05.43 - 00.05.47 Camera on lamppost. 00.05.47 Man pushing buttons on a reel tape machine. Aluminum factory
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Sanitarium
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Preview Cassette 221128 A 00.21.26 - 00.25.59 Aluminum Factory 00.26.04 - 00.26.52 Car driving down suburban road 00.26.52 - 00.27.03 Ambulance pulling out of building "Schaffer Ambulance Service" 00.27.03 - 00.27.35 Paradise Sanitarium and Hospital 00.27.35 - 00.27.38 Hands making a salad. 00.27.38 - 00.28.13 Setting the dinner table. 00.28.13 - 00.28.39 Serving & eating soup 00.28.39 - 00.28.47 Flowers 00.28.47 - 00.28.54 Dust or sand blowing into the road 00.28.54 - 00.29.06 Veggies at outdoor market 00.29.06 - 00.29.15 Gravestones at cemetary 00.29.15 - 00.29.47 Trains 00.29.47 - 00.31.06 Cab pulls up to suburban house, the Dullam ranch. Several shots of the ranch. 00.31.06 - 00.31.19 Suburban Houses 00.31.19 - 00.31.28 Farm equipment on the road 00.31.28 - 00.31.35 Native American dancing 00.31.35 - 00.31.48 Paradise Sanitarium and Hospital
Water Birds - Canadian Geese
(Tape 1) 09:52:16 Female Canada goose broods her 1 day old goslings, they all crawl under her wing
Water Birds - Wood Duck
(Tape 1) 09:09:47 Male wood duck
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, July 10, 1973
[00.39.16-THOMPSON interrogates MITCHELL trying to probe whether MITCHELL had incentive and motivation to authorize electoral cheating tactics, and MITCHELL'S knowledge of the Watergate operation] Mr. THOMPSON. Of course.. as it reads, as I have read it, of course, it is not an accurate response Mr. MITCHELL. -No, I say as you read it, but I think if you will look at the total context, of the questioning, it referred to the security group that involved Mr. McCord which was the subject of the conversation. Mr. THOMPSON. Were you not, asked any other broader questions about any knowledge you might have had of any surveillance activities? Mr. MITCHELL. I was asked broader questions with respect to did I ever receive documents that I could identify as coming from electronic surveillance and broad questions like that.. Mr. THOMPSON. Do you recall any broader questions concerning conversations that, you had? Mr. MITCHELL. No, sir, I do not, Mr. THOMPSON. Is it, just a case of not having asked you the right question? Mr. MITCHELL. I think that that is the case. Mr. THOMPSON. Let me refer to June 19 or, 20, I am not, quite sure when it -was. Mr. Mitchell. As I understand it, Mardian and LaRue debriefed Liddy and found out what he knew about, the break-in, his involvement. and the involvement of others. And at that time, he related to them some of the White House horror stories, I believe YOU characterized them as the plumbers activities, and so forth. [00.40.37-THOMPSON checks MITCHELL'S statement he was concerned less with WATERGATE being made public than with the other White House spying activities] I will go back to that, In a minute, but as I understand your testimony, this morning the knowledge you got from that debriefing was really the reason why you, in effect, stood by while Mr. Magruder was preparing a story Which, according to what you knew from Liddy was going to he a false story, to present to the grand jury. [00.41.01] Mr. MITCHELL. Along, Mr. Thompson, with some of the other stories that Mr. Dean brought forward to him, the Diem papers and the suspected extracurricular wiretapping -and a few of the others, Mr. THOMPSON. OK. That caused you to take that position with regard to Magruder. And also, I assume that those factors were the reasons why you, in effect, acquiesced, anyway, in the payments to the families of support. money and lawyers' fees and that .sort of thing, which I am sure you realize could have been pretty embarrassing to say the least, if not illegal, at that time. Would that be correct, as far as your motivations are concerned Mr. MITCHELL. That is a, correct, summary of my motivation and rationale, for the actions that I did take. [00.41.56] Mr. THOMPSON. Do you recall the date on which Mr. Mardian and Mr. LaRue related this conversation of Liddy's to you? Mr. MITCHELL. Well he certainly didn't debrief them on the 19th, I am sure of that, because they were, In transit. Whether it -was the 20th or 21st I am not certain. Mr. THOMPSON. Did they talk to you the same day they talked to him? Mr. MITCHELL. My recollection is they talked to me the next day, but I am not certain about that, either. But in any event, it was in the,, time frame of the 21st or 22d, to the 'best of my recollection. [00.42.27] Mr. THOMPSON. Can you recall in a little more detail what they said that Liddy had related to them? You have already mentioned the fact that Liddy said that Magruder had pushed him, and the break-in at the, Ellsberg psychiatrist's Office, I believe, and the Dita Beard situation. What did Liddy supposedly say with regard to the Dita Beard situation? What did he supposedly know about White House involvement? [00.42.58] Mr. MITCHELL. To the best of my recollection, and, of course, I have heard these horror stories in different versions from different people, over the period of the years, the fact that he was either the one or assisted in spiriting her out of town, I believe was the discussion at that particular time. [00.43.21] Mr. THOMPSON. Did he indicate, according to them, that the budget for the electronic surveillance operation which led to the break-in of the DNC had been approved by the White House? Mr. MITCHELL. You are testing my memory pretty hard. I am inclined to think that he did say that, but this is a--not that he said it, but that Mardian or LaRue reported to me that he had said it. But you are testing my memory pretty hard on a substance, of which I have heard dozens and dozens of repetitions of it. Mr. THOMPSON. Did you ever verify any of these facts with the President? Mr. MITCHELL. No, sir, I never discussed them with the President. Mr. THOMPSON. Did you ever verify any of them with Mr. Haldeman? Mr. MITCHELL. I -never discussed those specific factors -with Haldeman until a later date. It was at that time that Mr. Dean, acting as a liaison between the White House, and the committee with respect to these, matters. [00.44.32]
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, July 10, 1973
[00.44.32-THOMPSON questions MITCHELL about information given to various figures about the "White House Horrors" spying operations and the Watergate] Mr. THOMPSON. Did you ever talk directly with Ehrlichman about these matters? Mr. Mitchell. Not in that time frame. I am sure they were discussed substantially at later dates. Mr. THOMPSON. In 1973? Mr. MITCHELL. Well. yes, possibly before the end of 1972, certainly in 1973. Mr. THOMPSON. At this time did you know of Hunt's Involvement? Did Liddy tell them about Hunt's involvement? Mr. MITCHELL. Yes; I believe, he did, In fact, I am sure he did. Mr. THOMPSON. So, in effect, what you are saying, is that you were basing your later activities concerning Magruder's testimony and Concerning the payments and these sorts of things as embarrassment upon the hearsay information of this man that, presented these outlandish and wild-eyed proposals, in your office. It would seem like you would want, some verification from him. Mr. MITCHELL. Let us back up. Mr. Thompson, a little bit. You are jumping from the 21st or 22d of June all the Way to knowledge that I obtained in the fall and I keep reminding you that Mr. Dean was also aware of these factors and was discussing, them with me and with other people. We are talking about the White House problems now, is that what you are having reference to? Mr. THOMPSON. Yes, sir. Mr. MITCHELL. SO it was not just what, Mr. Liddy had told Mr. Mardian and Mr. LaRue on the 20th, 21st and 22d of June. There were, further affirmations of the facts that came out of the White House, from Mr. Dean. Mr. THOMPSON. Such as what. concerning these matters that we have been discussing? [00.46.28] Mr. MITCHELL. Well, as I Said a minute ago one of the things that I did not believe that Mr. Liddy had any reference to in the Mardian-LaRue briefing was the Diem papers and how they had been handled. Mr. THOMPSON. Did Mr. Dean verify this to you? Mr. MITCHELL. Mr. Dean so stated. he did not show me the spliced cables but he told me about the circumstances. Mr. THOMPSON. But as early as June the money started flowing, the payments started flowing and, of course Mr. MITCHELL. Well, now, you are assuming, Mr. Thompson that I was aware of it. Mr. THOMPSON. Well, I will ask you when you first became aware of---- Mr. MITCHELL. As I said this morning. it -was much later than that and I believe it was at the time that -Mr. Kalmbach ceased in connection With his activities. Mr. THOMPSON. Do you recall the date that you became aware of any money being paid to any of the defendants' or families or attorneys? Mr. MITCHELL. No, I do not recall the date but it was well after the, matter was in progress and in operation. Let me perhaps help you a little bit on that, Mr. Thompson or help myself maybe is a better way to put it. [Laughter]. There is testimony by Mr. Dean that there was a meeting. Mr. THOMPSON. June 23 or 24. I believe. Mr. MITCHELL. On June 28. Mr. THOMPSON. And 28th. Mr. MITCHELL. June 28. You see, Mr. Dean had testified that they had been playing games with the CIA up to the 28th. Then, Mr. Dean testified that there was a meeting in my office with Mardian, LaRue, and Mitchell and I do not know who all else, including Mr. Dean in the afternoon of the 28th in -which it, was decided, naturally Mitchell was always deciding these things, according to Dean, that the White House., somebody in the White House, John Ehrlichman should call Kalmbach and ask him to fly back from California that night of the 28th, -which led to their meetings on the 29th. The only problem with all of that was that I was in New York and could not have been at such a meeting, and I was not aware of it. [00.49.07] Mr. THOMPSON. I believe your logs reflect that, Mr. Mitchell. I think that---- Mr. MITCHELL. I -would hope so because I have been so stating for quite some, time. Mr. THOMPSON. It reflects that, according to your logs, you were in New York on the 28th. Mr. MITCHELL. Yes. Mr. THOMPSON. And that you arrived in the District of Columbia at 5:30. Mr. MITCHELL. Yes, sir. Mr. THOMPSON. There is no indication of any meeting after 5:30. Mr. MITCHELL. That is correct. Mr. THOMPSON. And I assume there was none. Mr. MITCHELL. The passenger that, I had with me coming back from Now York was not about to allow me to go to any more meetings on that particular day. [Laughter-] [00.49.41]
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, July 10, 1973
[00.49.41-THOMPSON interrogating MITCHELL about the payoffs to the DEFENDANTS. DEAN has testified that MITCHELL was a central figure in the decision to pay off the defendants to keep silent] Mr. THOMPSON. I am not, going to pursue that any further. Getting back- to your knowledge of the money, perhaps my question should have been, "When -was the first time that you heard of the need for the payment of money," and I ask it because of this: Dean testified that the first time. he heard any discussions of the, need for money. money to take care of those who were involved in the break-in was in a, meeting which occurred on either June 23. Saturday, or June 24 attended by Dean, Mardian, LaRue, and yourself. Mr. MITCHELL. that is quite possible because, as I recall the conversation of Mr. Liddy that he had -with Mr. Mardian and LaRue, was hopeful that these people that he at that time, of course, was not in jail, not suspect, and was still working for the committee, I do know whether he was suspect or not, in any event, he was still working for the committee until the 28th of June, he was--he talked to Mardian and Liddy about the hope that somebody could provide, for these five people who had been arrested, and the thought was that that the committee should do it and, of course., that was immediately off, the committee would not, do it and, of course, obviously do it under the existing statutes. Now, what developed out of that with respect to Mr. Dean's concept of it or what he heard about whether he heard that story or what I do not know but that is the first point in time at which the subject matter was ever discussed. [00.51.24] Mr. THOMPSON. The points that concerned you -were, the fact, that early on the discussions about, the money were taking place, or the need for money, and also Mr. Magruder's testimony I believe he testified, I think first, in June, and then again maybe August and then again in September before, the grand jury, and the point was that, during this Period of time you were having to make your decision as to how you were going to play this thing'. I understand that your testimony is that you were making your decision on the basis of what you had understood Liddy to say plus some points of corroboration from Mr. Dean. Mr. MITCHELL. That was the basis for the White House activities, that is absolutely correct. [00.52.12] Mr. THOMPSON. Without getting into a great deal more detail, Mr. Mitchell, besides the Diem cables can you answer any further point of verification that Mr. Dean gave you concerning these matters we mentioned, the Ellsberg psychiatrist, the Dita Beard situation, any of those matters? Mr. MITCHELL. Well, of course, there was the purported fire bombing of the Brookings Institution which had been discussed and so forth, I have already--- Mr. THOMPSON. Did Dean tell you that was seriously proposed at one time? Mr. MITCHELL. Yes I believe that I took it as a very serious proposal because of the fact that he flew across the, country in order to get it turned off. Mr. THOMPSON. For that particular reason as you understood it? Mr. MITCHELL. Pardon? Mr. THOMPSON. He made this Is trip for that particular reason? [00.53. Mr. MITCHELL. MITCHELL That is the way he so testified and I believe advised it at, that particular time because as you recall, it was tied into the Mardian trip to the west coast also, And also. it seems to me, that I have a pretty clear recollection there was general discussion of, as I say, the extracurricular wiretapping activities, [00.53.31] Mr. THOMPSON. Did you consider these matters national Security matters; at the time you were considering them? Mr. MITCHELL. Well, since I didn't really know about, them I could not make an assessment about them. Mr. THOMPSON. In your mind as you were seeking to Justify your position, if you were when these things were realized by you. did you consider them to be matters of national security no one had any right to know. that they should be covered up in effect, or were these just political decisions? [00.54.04]
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, July 10, 1973
[00.54.04-MITCHELL avoids fully admitting that the PLUMBERS' activities were for political advantage and unrelated to National security] Mr. MITCHELL. They were obviously elements of that in connection With some of these activities But I think we would have to parcel it Out in details before you could make that determination Mr. THOMPSON. Would it be accurate to say your motivations were generally more out of political considerations at that time, in the midst of a campaign, than matters of national security? Mr. MITCHELL. Well, I would think if you would put the, aggregate Of the subject matters we are talking about it would have to be from that point of view than from national security. Mr. THOMPSON. All right, -Mr. Mitchell. you have testified on several points where you disagree with Mr. Magruder Or refute his to testimony. I would like to ask you a few points which I don't believe have been Covered yet concerning Mr. Dean's testimony. Dean testified that, "Within -the first few days." and I am quoting, [quoting DEAN'S statement] Within the first few days of my involvement in coverup a pattern had developed where he was carrying messages from Mitchell, Stans, Mardian to Ehrlichman and Haldeman and vice versa about how each quarter was handling the coverup and relevant information as to what was occurring. Is that an accurate statement, as far as you know, was Dean doing that? [00.55.11-MITCHELL can't quite testify that DEAN is wrong, so he picks at the details of DEAN'S testimony] Mr. MITCHELL. Well, I think that, Mr. Dean has, lumped together a number of things. I think Mr. Dean has testified that, the coverup had started on June 19 by the destruction of certain documents, by the concept of getting Mr. Colson out of the country, and a few other such things--Hunt, I am sorry, I am sorry there seems to be some. correlation there that I keep putting together [laughter] but it was Mr. Hunt that they were talking about. Mr. THOMPSON; What correlation do you put, together there? Mr. MITCHELL. The fact that Mr. Hunt worked for Mr. Colson. With the second part, about it with -which there was particularly at the time, frame in which he is talking about, there is considerable interest at that time as to, about, the money that had been through Barker's bank and the Ogarrio checks that were coming out that had come from Mexico, et cetera, et, cetera. This is the, subject matter and that particular -week in -which Mr. Stans and perhaps Mitchell and others were asking the, White House about. You will also, of course., recognize that the newspapers and Liddy himself, I believe, in the debriefing that, Mardian got, referred to the fact that, they had had CIA documents or materials, et Cetera, et, cetera. So there was very considerable interest in, was there any CIA involvement No. 1, in connection with the break-in, No, 2 in connection with the. personnel involved and, No. 3, in connection with this gentleman from Mexico City, Mr. Ogarrio I believe his name was, in Connection with his activities. [00.57.16] Mr. THOMPSON. You would not, categorize those things as part of a coverup would you? Mr. MITCHELL. Well, that is -what, I say, Mr. Dean, I think, has, put a blanket over activities that are, happening at that particular time, and talked about them as a coverup; this is where I started, I thought, my very lengthy answer. I am sorry to be so long. Mr. THOMPSON. That is all right. You have already stated that, Dean's testimony about a meeting of June 28, and I believe I am quoting him correctly, where he said: Mitchell asked me to get the approval of Ehrlichman and Haldeman to get Herb Kalmbach to raise the necessary money. Mr. MITCHELL. That is right. [00.57.52-MITCHELL tells a big LIE] Mr. THOMPSON. You stated that was false. Mr. MITCHELL. There was no such meeting, I made no such request ever. Mr. THOMPSON. With regard to asking--- Mr. MITCHELL. Ask Dean. to ask Haldeman to get, Kalmbach, to my recollection I have never made such a request. Mr. THOMPSON. Did you ever ask anyone to get, Kalmbach to raise money for these purposes? Mr. MITCHELL. Not to my recollection. As I recall this scenario that Mr. Kalmbach did, at the request of somebody, according to Dean, it was somebody in the White House, Kalmbach to Washington on the 28th and met, on the 29th with these people. He proceeded into this operation. There came a time in the fall, I believe it was September or October, where. because of adverse publicity or whatever it -Was he wanted out, and that, was the end of it, and I certainly don't, believe that I would have the audacity to ask him back into such an operation. [00.58.56]
Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, July 10, 1973
[00.58.56-THOMPSON interrogating MITCHELL about ordering money to be raised to pay off the defendants as part of the coverup-brief shot of ERVIN looking intently at something] Mr. THOMPSON. Doan testified that after the, President's statement on August, 29 referring to the Dean report he began thinking that he might be being set up in case the whole thing crumbled at a later time. He testified he discussed this with you and others and that you assured him that he need not. worry because you didn't believe anyone in the White House would do that to him. Do you recall such a conversation with Mr. Dean? Mr. MITCHELL. I recall such a conversation. Mr. Thompson. but it, seems to me it, was much later than August -29, Mr. THOMPSON. Do you recall I when? Mr. MITCHELL. No, I don't recall the date but., it was much further. In fact, I think it was into 1973, Mr. THOMPSON. Do you recall the month? Was it, into April, perhaps as late as April? Mr. Mitchell. No, it would be before that. It would be in February or March I would believe. Mr. THOMPSON. Did he state to you the basis of his fears? Mr. MITCHELL. No, I don't believe he did. As a matter of fact, to the best of my recollection I only had, of course. one Conversation with Mr. Dean in April, and a very limited number of them in March so it had to be sometime in early March or February. [01.00.23] Mr. THOMPSON. Dean testified That during the first week Of December you called Dean and said that you would have to use some, of the, $350,000 at the White House to take care of the demands that were being made by Hunt and the others, for money, and that, you asked him to get Haldeman's approval for that. Is that a correct statement? Mr. MITCHELL. No, that is absolutely untrue 'as far as I am concerned. I had no official capacity. I have no control over the money and there, -would be no reason why I should call Dean, or anybody else, With respect to it, and I did not so call Dean. [01.01.00] Mr. THOMPSON. Dean testified that shortly before the trial when the demands for money Were reaching the crescendo point., again you Called Dean and once again asked him to ask Haldeman to make the necessary funds available and that after Dean talked to Haldeman the, decision was made to send the entire $350,000. Mr. MITCHELL. Well, I would respond to that the same way I did to Your last question. [01.01.23-THOMPSON asks MITCHELL about his involvement in giving assurances of EXECUTIVE CLEMENCY to defendants] Mr. THOMPSON. Dean testified that, on January 10 he received a call from O'Brien and you indicating that since Hunt had been given assurances of clemency and that those, assurances were being passed to Hunt and others that Caulfield should give the same assurances to McCord who was becoming an increasing problem and again Dean was told that McCord's lawyer was having problems with him, Is that---- Mr. MITCHELL. I think that Mr. Dean, if he will go back and check his logs will find that I was out, of town in Florida when he started the, McCord dialog, and that there would be no reason in the -world for me to direct Mr. Dean to do anything vis-a-vis Caulfield or McCord, Or anybody else. [01.02.12] Mr. THOMPSON. The, logs indicate, I believe, you were in Key Biscayne from January 1 through January 7. Mr. MITCHELL. I think it was December 20 through January 8, I believe. Mr. THOMPSON. All right, sir. Let me ask you about one, more, piece, of testimony, the meeting on March 22 which you had with Haldeman, Ehrlichman and Dean; I understand you met with them and that afternoon you met With the President. Mr. MITCHELL. Yes, sir. [01.02.47] Mr. THOMPSON. I believe, that Dean testified that Ehrlichman turned to you and asked if Hunt had been taken care, of, or his money situation had been taken care, of, and you assured him that he had been taken care, of, is that correct? Mr. MITCHELL. It is absolutely false as far as I am concerned because, I have never, to my knowledge, discussed any of these, payments 'with John Ehrlichman and any of the specifies of that nature with respect to -any individual, and I wouldn't, have known on the 22d of March whether Mr. Hunt had been taken care of or hadn't been taken care of. [01.03.25-MITCHELL has to be careful not to accuse DEAN of lying, because MITCHELL himself is in a tricky position legally] Mr. THOMPSON. Do you think Mr. Dean could be mistaken about these various points? Mr. MITCHELL. No, I think Mr. Dean may have, in putting together --how long was his statement? You know, it is awfully hard to recollect on what day -what was discussed. Mr. THOMPSON He did not seem to have any trouble at, the time. Mr. MITCHELL. Well, you said it, not, I. Mr. THOMPSON. Are you saying that perhaps Mr. Dean's memory might not have been quite that good ? Mr. MITCHELL. Well, it certainly cannot be with respect to the specifics of the March 22 meeting. I am sure of that. Mr. THOMPSON. Or with these other- points about--well, is that a matter of memory as to whether or not----- [01.04.03-TAPE OUT]